tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post5414057278586949399..comments2023-09-28T06:33:11.190-07:00Comments on Chariot of Reaction: The Undercounted Economic Benefits of Low Diversity and TrustJehuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16483263667086303029noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-52991592396890815852011-11-30T11:36:59.013-08:002011-11-30T11:36:59.013-08:00My wife and I went to Oahu, Maui, and Kauai a few ...My wife and I went to Oahu, Maui, and Kauai a few years back. Oahu has the things you really want to see once, like the Arizona memorial, the Polynesian Cultural center, and Diamond Head. Kauai is just plain gorgeous. Maui, on the other hand, is the most fun. We drove the road to Hana with its one lane bridges and had a blast bicycling down the big dormant volcano on Maui.Jehuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16483263667086303029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-13453302592730005792011-11-30T06:47:53.104-08:002011-11-30T06:47:53.104-08:00This is also quite common along the spectacular Ha...This is also quite common along the spectacular Hana Highway on Maui - people will put fruit and flowers out along the road at the end of their driveways, and there's just a box to put money in.<br /><br />Maui is much more expensive, and considerably less package-toury, than Oahu (the most populous island and the only one with an actual city, Honolulu.) I would be interested to know if this practice is as common on Oahu or if the higher population and lower socio-economic class of the tourists on that island makes it less attractive.<br /><br />Incidentally, I understand Kauai is even smaller and more rural, but driving the Hana Highway is one of life's grand possibilities. Highly recommended. Be sure to stop a while and watch the surfers (or do it yourself, if you're so inclined) off Pala Beach.Sardonic_sobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-87770293707908910322011-11-28T09:09:24.649-08:002011-11-28T09:09:24.649-08:00Hail, what you describe is a significant problem. ...Hail, what you describe is a significant problem. No, it's not all transient workers, lots of it is in construction as well. Hopefully the downturn in housing and the economy in general will work against it.Jehuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16483263667086303029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-8695881924614698702011-11-28T08:42:26.476-08:002011-11-28T08:42:26.476-08:00I notice that Census-2010 found Hispanics to be 11...I notice that Census-2010 <a href="http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/41000.html" rel="nofollow">found</a> Hispanics to be 11.7% of the state population, up from 8.0% in <a href="http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/QTTable?_bm=y&-geo_id=04000US41&-qr_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U_DP1&-ds_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U" rel="nofollow">2000</a>, and up from 3.95% in <a href="http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/DTTable?_bm=y&-context=dt&-ds_name=DEC_1990_STF1_&-CONTEXT=dt&-mt_name=DEC_1990_STF1_P008&-mt_name=DEC_1990_STF1_P001&-tree_id=100&-redoLog=false&-all_geo_types=N&-geo_id=04000US41&-search_results=01000US&-format=&-_lang=en" rel="nofollow">1990</a>.<br /><br />What's the nature of this increase? It can't be all transient agricultural workers. How localized is it? Is "White Oregon" on the way to becoming a myth? (Only 78.5% of Oregoners answered 'White non-Hispanic' to the race question in 2010). Pardon my ignorance, because I have never been within a thousand miles of the state.Hailhttp://hailtoyou.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-107271941555382482011-11-27T13:47:49.187-08:002011-11-27T13:47:49.187-08:00Yes, also quite true, the breakdown of trust (plus...Yes, also quite true, the breakdown of trust (plus desegregation) largely motivated the massive white flight to the suburbs, which can be viewed as the massive waste of productive resources. There was a good reason why the Sierra Club of old was strongly anti illegal immigration and somewhat anti legal immigration. You're quite correct about Oregon's laws limiting sprawl. Oregon has another thing going for it insofar as limiting diversity---6+ very grey months out of each year. All of the black engineers I work with (granted, that's like 2 of them, they're hardly plentiful in my field) are on prescription vitamin D, as well as quite of a few of the Indian engineers.Jehuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16483263667086303029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-291565187445930012011-11-27T00:02:51.845-08:002011-11-27T00:02:51.845-08:00Trust can also save humbling amounts of money and ...Trust can also save humbling amounts of money and resources by cutting back on the (need for) suburbanism. Suburbs are expensive to maintain. They also create a lot of extra work: building, upkeep, and services.<br /><br />I've heard Oregon has harsh laws limiting sprawl, which it can get away with with so few Nonwhites. In more-diverse areas, especially in the old "block-busting" days, limiting suburban growth would have been politically infeasible. Whites in many parts of the USA have needed, and have had, a place to which they can flee. And GDP growth rolled on (through 2008 anyway).Hailhttp://hailtoyou.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-41136523752424562812011-11-26T21:55:00.667-08:002011-11-26T21:55:00.667-08:00Hail,
Yes, a 25 pound bag of rice purchased from C...Hail,<br />Yes, a 25 pound bag of rice purchased from Costco is a benefit to me. Their security force isn't, it is merely what Marx would call guard labor. But it's counted nevertheless in GDP. Societies with extremely high trust levels don't need to spend huge amounts of resources on things like 'loss prevention'.Jehuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16483263667086303029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-78408374187983610142011-11-26T21:10:58.982-08:002011-11-26T21:10:58.982-08:00In the minds of the people who gave us Homo-Econom...In the minds of the people who gave us Homo-Economicus, higher levels of economic activity are always a good thing.<br /><br />Jehu, the wood-selling method you describe above refutes that convincingly, if anecdotally.Hailhttp://hailtoyou.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-90494202456881917632011-11-26T21:06:22.771-08:002011-11-26T21:06:22.771-08:00I assume that by economic benefits, you mean nomin...I assume that by economic benefits, you mean nominal benefits (higher apparent GDP), rather than true benefits.Hailhttp://hailtoyou.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-78570156905315337232011-11-23T18:30:48.407-08:002011-11-23T18:30:48.407-08:00Aretae,
I've travelled through that area with ...Aretae,<br />I've travelled through that area with my family quite a few times---stayed at both of those towns in fact on our last California trip, but we live near Portland. Bandon is my wife's favorite actually, but we reserve that for multi-day trips since it is a long drive.Jehuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16483263667086303029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-30631701244367748682011-11-23T16:17:08.603-08:002011-11-23T16:17:08.603-08:00Jehu,
Does that put you between Gold Beach and Yr...Jehu,<br /><br />Does that put you between Gold Beach and Yreka? I travel a lot, and enjoy our discussions. Might offer you a beverage on my way through next summer.<br /><br />If you were closer to the bay...I'd likely offer you something sooner.Aretaehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15850678936908894274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-75454799119060531912011-11-23T15:23:16.008-08:002011-11-23T15:23:16.008-08:00The $5 honor system firewood is ubiquitous in rura...The $5 honor system firewood is ubiquitous in rural Maine, too, even relatively near Portland. You also see produce, eggs, blueberries. This is even though in the summer, rural Maine is full of vacationing Massholes and other flatlanders. <br /><br />But you can probably guess what kind of people come to vacation in rural Maine. Not a very vibrant crowd. We get the ones who want to escape that.Matthew Walkernoreply@blogger.com