tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post6524572754573111916..comments2023-09-28T06:33:11.190-07:00Comments on Chariot of Reaction: Hypergamy in Multiple Dimensions: More on the Marriage MarketplaceJehuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16483263667086303029noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-8951470608934749562012-03-28T21:00:32.715-07:002012-03-28T21:00:32.715-07:00CLAR,
I think the most common for women are econom...CLAR,<br />I think the most common for women are economics/career and intelligence---i.e. they are prone to insist on a man having at least parity in those areas, preferably superiority in addition to having the requisite aggregate social status. But in practice, it can be on nearly any attribute that she's invested a lot of her identity into---its just that present Western society encourages women to invest heavily in terms of her identity on the two areas I've described. This can result in fairly difficult matchmaking for women who are actually pretty attractive if their secondary requirements are too high for men of the status range that they're suited to attract.<br /><br />Most other things just get boiled into the social status/social dominance metric that women go for. Physical strength is useful, as is height, for boosting your status as women perceive it. My rough rule of thumb is that it is very useful to be able to easily lift, carry, or toss any woman light enough to be attractive to you. But if you've got to have just one thing, it's the social dominance. Women aren't adapted well to a society where extreme sanctions are NOT employed against those who 'presume too much'.Jehuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16483263667086303029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-91797483146975313872012-03-28T19:44:29.777-07:002012-03-28T19:44:29.777-07:00i hadn't thought of the hypergamy in alternate...i hadn't thought of the hypergamy in alternate areas besides status and intelligence, good read.<br /><br />jehu, i am interested- what types of categories do you think have this hypergamous impulse for most women? obviously the ones you mentioned in the post, but not all aspects are important in this way. for instance, i have always downplayed my cooking abilities to women i date because i would rather see if they have this skill and enjoy it. i have never felt any penalty for this, as most are happy to show this off if they have it. ditto with most other traditionally feminine things.<br /><br />do you think the traditionally male spheres- physical strength/aggression (when appropriate), intelligence, humor, and social dominance are the most important here?CLARnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-82189866378076253682012-03-28T14:35:29.223-07:002012-03-28T14:35:29.223-07:00Anonymous,
The larger the marketplace you're d...Anonymous,<br />The larger the marketplace you're drawing from, the fewer of those sorts of tradeoffs you're going to have to make. Young and smart and not crazy isn't any more 'expensive' than young and smart and crazy. I suggest Eharmony in your position. Interview lots of girls. In fact I advise you to adopt exactly that frame (it helped in my case that I'd just run a hiring task force at work when I decided that obtaining a suitable wife was a yearly objective). You're feeding them, but they're the ones who have to prove themselves to you, just like in a job interview.Jehuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16483263667086303029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-78968595264205319972012-03-28T14:17:14.434-07:002012-03-28T14:17:14.434-07:00Jehu,
I guess that's about where I thought. ...Jehu,<br /><br />I guess that's about where I thought. My greatest difficulty is finding girls young enough to be marraige prospects, intelligent enough I enjoy being with them, and not crazy. It seems I can only choose two of those three so far. <br /><br />Young and smart but crazy (who I end up with, also in low supply).<br /><br />Smart and normal but too old (who are all over me, but past marraige age from my POV).<br /><br />Or young and normal but dumb and boring (this is the most common demographic in the city. I'm trying to learn to appreciate these women and get my intellectual rocks off elsewhere).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-16408869586628573252012-03-28T14:00:10.958-07:002012-03-28T14:00:10.958-07:00Your last 2 Girlfriends contributes the most infor...Your last 2 Girlfriends contributes the most information honestly. Guys get rated on something really nebulous---status. The way to measure a man's status is to examine the attractiveness of the women that are interested in him/consider him in their league. By the sound of the two women, it looks like they're evaluating you at around the 60th or so percentile on status. I base this on the fact that these two sound like they're from the bottom half of the top 50% of women in the US.<br /><br />So in your present condition, you can probably comfortably attract women who are fairly pretty but for 20-25 pounds or so, or women who are plain but at their proper weight. You seem to have a knack for getting the unstable ones though. My immediate suggestion is to try Eharmony if you're at least moderately religious. The men-women ratio there is pretty good (I got issued quite a few more matches than did my wife, for instance, and all of the matches were at least vaguely plausible. There are a lot of women who are less dysfunctional than those two available there at the 60th percentile or so---nurses, teachers, biologists, chemists, the like. I gave one a second date while I was doing my own wife search some years back who probably would've been a decent match for you who was a biologist who fit the somewhat overweight (20 pounds or so) but otherwise fairly attractive--sad I suppose that that gets you to the 60th percentile these days in the US). Interview lots of girls from there, it'll give you a much better understanding of what your market position actually is.<br /><br />As to what you can do to improve your position, I gather you're doing all you can with the hand you're dealt on fitness. I'd suggest working on your emulation of the neurotypical, upgrading to a good emulation from a fair one is probably worth at least 10 percentile points in your position. I've got some posts that might be helpful to you in that vein. Roissy and Vox can probably give you some direction there as well.Jehuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16483263667086303029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-19776007762980407682012-03-28T13:41:40.012-07:002012-03-28T13:41:40.012-07:00Here's a question for you, what's my marke...Here's a question for you, what's my market for mates as a man? Also, what action would most improve my market?<br /><br />29 Year Old Male<br />6ft0in<br />140lb<br />Bench Press ~120lb<br />Weight room 5 days a week + frequent sports<br />(see health info for more on physical description)<br />Living in a large east coast city (not DC/NYC)<br /><br />1410/1600 SAT for a rough IQ approximation<br />30th-40th US NEWS ranking college degree<br />100,000 net worth<br />76k/year job income with good benefits in a very low stress low hours job I enjoy (I'm a mathematically focused policy wonk working on HC reform)<br />I believe I will make at least 100k a year (current dollars) by 35.<br /><br />Career and experience also very varied. Have done stints in politics, investment banking, and some other fields. Was even a professional poker player for awhile. Very well read and traveled.<br /><br />Good charisma and conversational skills frequentely commented, but natural introvert and nuero-atypical. Also frequentely described as mature, interesting, etc.<br /><br />Can stand humble feminine dumb girls but not modern american women dumb girls. Like smart girls.<br /><br />Come from a working class family, though no dysfunction. Medical issues though. Previous GFs describe parents in glowing terms.<br /><br />Moderately serious health problems. Medicine keeps it in control and I live a normal life (including sports, active outdoors life), but I have:<br />Mild Type I Diabetes<br />Asthma<br />Deformed Ribs(this is why I'm so scrawny in the upper body)<br />Blood Issues<br />Weak Immune System<br /><br />Sexually its hard to get people to sleep with me, but I've gotten very high marks from those that do. I have extremely high sexual stamina and strongly take the lead. I've talked girls into lots of freaky sex once I've bedded them once.<br /><br />Last two GFs:<br /><br />1) Federal Agent that traveled around the world busting criminals. Good body & boobs and below average face. Turned out she had bi-polar disorder. Broke up after six months because she was crazy. One year older then me at time.<br /><br />2) Triple masters degrees from Harvard. Not very attractive at all. Didn't seem crazy but did have crazy family history that worried me. Great personality (well, except what I'm about to write). Was apparentely in a relationship already and cheated with me for six weeks before breaking it off (only found out at the end).<br /><br />I do not have a very wide social circle, I moved here for a job.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-72400097825237729822012-03-28T13:19:03.691-07:002012-03-28T13:19:03.691-07:00Anonymous,
Back in say, the 60s or the 70s, all th...Anonymous,<br />Back in say, the 60s or the 70s, all three would be in the 60-70th percentile range. All three fit inside the 5'2-5'4 envelope at around 115-125 pounds. Back in the 50s, that was average.<br />I do agree that all 3 make good wives though.Jehuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16483263667086303029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-2411222631268312672012-03-28T13:09:57.462-07:002012-03-28T13:09:57.462-07:00You've got some hot friends.You've got some hot friends.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-41987681351274028652012-03-28T12:46:36.614-07:002012-03-28T12:46:36.614-07:00Anonymous,
I'm using neurotypical to describe ...Anonymous,<br />I'm using neurotypical to describe people who think like 95% of the population. Obviously Aspies aren't neurotypical, but lots of people who fit the geek category aren't actually Aspies either. I associate neurotypicals with several things in practice, but I agree it's a continuous thing rather than a binary one:<br />They feel a loss approximately 2x as much as an equal gain (risk aversion)<br />They feel positively towards someone who they do favors FOR, not those that do them favors<br />They are the fat part of the curve against which marketing/sales technology is developed to targetJehuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16483263667086303029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-9598171618967761662012-03-28T12:06:56.523-07:002012-03-28T12:06:56.523-07:00Hmm, are you using "neurotypical" in the...Hmm, are you using "neurotypical" in the typical way to mean non-autistic/Aspergers? Something in the way you use the term makes me think you have a broader definition.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com