tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post6550855170482220200..comments2023-09-28T06:33:11.190-07:00Comments on Chariot of Reaction: Just For Fun: Who SHOULD Be In The Back Of The Bus?Jehuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16483263667086303029noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-27556759534710236902012-07-30T15:07:09.723-07:002012-07-30T15:07:09.723-07:00Alex,
Persuasion isn't about truth, it's a...Alex,<br />Persuasion isn't about truth, it's about repetition. Certain things are inherently high status, like powerful men and attractive women. By constantly linking and associating such with groups, products, etc, media constructs a very large fraction of the status hierarchy.Jehuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16483263667086303029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-91411100861726162842012-07-30T11:08:20.871-07:002012-07-30T11:08:20.871-07:00It is thought that the media have a powerful influ...It is thought that the media have a powerful influence in the creation of status so that 'celebrities' occupy the highest level in the social scale - with subordinate positions ranked according to their nearness to or distance from people who are famous for being famous. <br /><br />But mere opinion foists these ephemeral distinctions upon society which itself calls for an explanation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-36467239658707635692012-07-30T08:44:44.411-07:002012-07-30T08:44:44.411-07:00Alex,
Status is intermediated by media as well as ...Alex,<br />Status is intermediated by media as well as via law. Hollywood and the MSM have a major role in conferring status to groups. There's little 'spontaneous' about it.Jehuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16483263667086303029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-62948832536207216722012-07-30T03:21:07.094-07:002012-07-30T03:21:07.094-07:00Who affords status to whom? The answer to which is...Who affords status to whom? The answer to which is nobody in particular. A place at the back of the bus isn't allocated to any group - except in cases of systematic social discrimination.<br /><br />Don't human hierarchies emerge or evolve like the 'spontaneous order' of a market economy?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-4832150949340954322012-07-29T20:11:04.658-07:002012-07-29T20:11:04.658-07:00Anonymous,
To have actual rules, you need to be ab...Anonymous,<br />To have actual rules, you need to be able to make it less profitable to flout said rules than to obey them. Presently we can't effectively enforce any rules of engagement.Jehuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16483263667086303029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-41865815528037551022012-07-29T18:53:17.188-07:002012-07-29T18:53:17.188-07:00All groups have subgroups. Irish are a subgroup o...All groups have subgroups. Irish are a subgroup of whites. Blacks are a subgroup of Americans.<br /><br />In order to form larger groups you need to make peace between the subgroups. You need rules for how they can compete while still cooperating. You also need to acknowledge that individuals belong to different subgroups (a black yuppie).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-57583403224977500622012-07-29T09:38:49.045-07:002012-07-29T09:38:49.045-07:00Anonymous,
The counterbalancing force is that huma...Anonymous,<br />The counterbalancing force is that humans feel the need to be superior to someone. So some group has to be in the back of the bus.Jehuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16483263667086303029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-77293599663702020292012-07-29T05:19:13.720-07:002012-07-29T05:19:13.720-07:00Jehu,
If we take that logic, the universalists ar...Jehu,<br /><br />If we take that logic, the universalists are right. We will all be one group one day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-83671273559110117932012-07-28T21:46:48.659-07:002012-07-28T21:46:48.659-07:00Anonymous,
Honestly the direction of open status j...Anonymous,<br />Honestly the direction of open status jockeying tends towards larger and larger groups. After all, to compete with the Mormons, for instance, you want a bigger effective group. Irish and Italians threw and received plenty of elbows in said games. Italians, in particular, took a significant jump upwards in status after their organized crime elements were largely neutralized.Jehuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16483263667086303029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-29374451564594460582012-07-28T19:30:24.488-07:002012-07-28T19:30:24.488-07:00Jehu,
You can just keep making the groups smaller...Jehu,<br /><br />You can just keep making the groups smaller and smaller though until you can't even form a society. That's the end of such logic. If people are going to form a society, there need to be some ground rules as to how one is going to jockey for status.<br /><br />A long time ago my Irish and Italian ancestors were discriminated against. However, today we are pretty much just considered "white". There was a lot of group on group bickering for a long time, but eventually it all sort of melded together. It melded together because we could all agree one a new group, "Americans", and that meant certain things. Becoming "American" added a new group allegiance with certain expectations on top of the existing allegiances.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-44713793733217178592012-07-28T19:21:01.810-07:002012-07-28T19:21:01.810-07:00Anonymous,
Yes, a sane society would dole out stat...Anonymous,<br />Yes, a sane society would dole out status in proportion to contributions to society and in inverse proportion to detriments. Such status would definitely have a 'disparate impact' across the races and would encourage better behavior overall.<br />As to Jews, with their present levels of intermarriage, they're largely in the same SMP/MMP as most people. Therefore you couldn't argue that dropping their status wouldn't hurt them as much as other groups. <br />Of course, that's ok, frankly no reason other than---because we want to---is really necessary anyway, and any reason other than that is likely just glib sophistry anyway. I'm all for a straightforward slugfest of self-interest in status competitions as opposed to the sanctimonious scolding of simpering sophists.Jehuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16483263667086303029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-3169084960748332112012-07-28T17:33:31.342-07:002012-07-28T17:33:31.342-07:00Do I have to think practically? I'm going to ...Do I have to think practically? I'm going to forego that for a minute.<br /><br />It should be those that fail to live morally. Obviously, that will vary from person to person. If someone is left half of the bell curve simply having them hold down a job and not commit crimes ought to give them a shot at a happy life. This doesn't have to be about resources, but about respect and human dignity.<br /><br />Those that are on the right side of the bell curve should be held to a higher standard. More is expected of them. If they fail at this it should be a status hit, even if they still live comfortably.<br /><br />Practical hat on now:<br /><br />In Japan they used to have very distinct castes.<br /><br />Samurai<br />Peasants<br />Artisans<br />Merchants<br /><br />While the merchants often lived comfortable lives they had very low status. No matter how much money they had they were seen as people that used their intellect to rip people off without creating anything. Those that created, even if they lived harsh lives, were afforded more status.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-516755788720475812012-07-28T16:53:35.331-07:002012-07-28T16:53:35.331-07:00shouldn't it be jews thenshouldn't it be jews thenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-73864141859979402372012-07-28T13:48:28.827-07:002012-07-28T13:48:28.827-07:00Anonymous,
Addictive---absolutely, most of public ...Anonymous,<br />Addictive---absolutely, most of public discourse is hardly anything else but an argument as to status<br />Biased---absolutely, everyone wants the rules of the status game to favor them where they are strong and socialize their areas of weakness<br />Waste of time---disagree strongly, status is one of the most important things going. It's also a team sport.Jehuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16483263667086303029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-64777984986491005942012-07-28T11:51:11.492-07:002012-07-28T11:51:11.492-07:00Beware: arguments about which groups should have l...Beware: arguments about which groups should have low status are almost inevitably addictive and biased wastes of time, for reasons that should be obvious.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com