tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post6747501150933464841..comments2023-09-28T06:33:11.190-07:00Comments on Chariot of Reaction: Is It Just Me, Or Is There No Way The Left Would Tolerate What Is Standard Practice in NYC in the South?Jehuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16483263667086303029noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-10681353381300746182012-04-17T21:18:35.454-07:002012-04-17T21:18:35.454-07:00I figured out what I'm really trying to say he...I figured out what I'm really trying to say here.<br /><br />If my opponent is selfish, there's no reason I shouldn't simply default to my own selfish desires. By symmetry, neither can be better than the other. <br /><br />It is only if my opponent is selfless that I should concede, because if I win, I'm causing a lot of collateral damage. Except 99.999etc% of claims of selflessness are exactly attempting to get me to concede, out of selfishness.Alrenoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11119846531341190283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-59446022545948174802012-04-16T23:28:38.843-07:002012-04-16T23:28:38.843-07:00I fix the universal stuff by a simple algorithm. I...I fix the universal stuff by a simple algorithm. If you wish me harm, you're not eligible. Altruism in these cases is exactly what got Rand worked up, and she was right. <br /><br />I would never expect anyone to adhere to it. The whole point of enlightened self-interest is that it is self-punishing. Parochial self interest is less effective by definition.Alrenoushttp://alrenous.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-4460789886557872832012-04-16T13:02:58.972-07:002012-04-16T13:02:58.972-07:00Alrenous,
In-group and reciprocal altruism is a fa...Alrenous,<br />In-group and reciprocal altruism is a fairly good long term strategy. It's when one attempts to shoehorn it into a 'noble universal' paradigm that it get wonky, and worse, when one sets it up so that only certain groups are expected to adhere to it.Jehuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16483263667086303029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-5602652281900874222012-04-16T11:37:44.374-07:002012-04-16T11:37:44.374-07:00Three words: enlightened self-interest. Altruism u...Three words: enlightened self-interest. Altruism usually is the best long-term strategy. E.g. firm management, happy workers are vastly more productive, don't sabotage or get sick, and will freely offer their ideas for improvement. <br /><br />It's weird how using different words makes me think of the concept from different angles. Or: no matter how you come at this selfishness thing, it's obviously not a real priority. Some particular liars just like to use it as a bludgeon to ram their lies down your throat.Alrenoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11119846531341190283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-32971971623066587962012-04-16T09:21:55.654-07:002012-04-16T09:21:55.654-07:00I've come to realize that the overwhelming maj...I've come to realize that the overwhelming majority of people are extremely selfish, and I don't exclude myself from that despite being objectively less selfish than most on several quantifiable indices. But I've got no non-theological use for anything which describes 99.99% of humanity as particularly wicked. It'd be like the filthy man telling the man covered with pink slime that he is dirty.Jehuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16483263667086303029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-19355363303723371942012-04-15T23:43:00.140-07:002012-04-15T23:43:00.140-07:00I must agree. (Agreeing a lot today...I really mus...I must agree. (Agreeing a lot today...I really must be ill. :P) <br /><br />First let me add my own version in rant form, then I'm gonna move on into meat. <br /><br />I do have issues with blatant selfishness, but they're utterly dominated by my issue with lying. <br /><br />My go-to example is that if you tell me you're being selfish, we can at least stop wasting time discussing that we should be fair. If you're just trying to be selfish but lie about it, then I spend time demolishing the arguments only to find that you never cared about the rationalizations in the first place. I get muddy and annoy the pig. <br /><br /><br />The problem isn't really that people lie, though, its that other people swallow the lies and ask for seconds. <br /><br />So, I have a dream that anyone who swallows a lie is mocked mercilessly for being a patsy. It runs counter to the chivalry principle, but in this case I think <i>not</i> violating chivalry is better for the weak in general, even if not these weak in particular.Alrenoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11119846531341190283noreply@blogger.com