tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post8107348996939345328..comments2023-09-28T06:33:11.190-07:00Comments on Chariot of Reaction: Implications of Cochrane's "Spell Checker" NarrativeJehuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16483263667086303029noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-32907370603173305282012-04-22T15:55:34.003-07:002012-04-22T15:55:34.003-07:00Anonymous,
I think there's a range of societie...Anonymous,<br />I think there's a range of societies that we could make reasonable predictions about, primarily because we have nearly self-contained subcultures that are mostly already there.<br />For instance, an awful lot of people have next to no contact with anyone below around a 90 IQ. A good number have none below 100. A fair number even have next to none below around 115, and a few with 120-130 or so.<br />So speculating within those regions is probably not entirely idle. I agree that higher than that it becomes very hard.<br />My experience from viewing history is that nearly any society ultimately destroys itself. My memory of Brave New World was that Alphas were also pretty socially dominant besides being smart, and I could see particular problems with that. IMO, societies beyond the subcultures that we've actually seen would probably make really massive use of robotics--becoming Japan on steroids perhaps?Jehuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16483263667086303029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-89986590562609734932012-04-22T05:43:40.476-07:002012-04-22T05:43:40.476-07:00It would be such a different world that speculatio...It would be such a different world that speculation seems almost useless. The actual results likely to be radically different from our predictions, and our future society of geniuses to scoff at our notions like we scoff at past societies foolishness.<br /><br />In Brave New World it was posited that a society of all Alphas would destroy itself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-29788359224666886962012-04-21T21:06:01.497-07:002012-04-21T21:06:01.497-07:00Hail,
It is likely that if the center holds and th...Hail,<br />It is likely that if the center holds and the 'spell checker' narrative is true, that you'll see societies with vastly tighter spreads of ability in the various attributes that are highly genetic and that people care about. Tighter spreads with considerably higher means would give you a very different society. The options for 'getting ahead' would be very constrained relative to today, making nepotism very very attractive. Most of your 'result inequality' would be there.<br /><br />You'd also get to answer the question: is there any such thing as a 4 sigma plus neurotypical?<br />Of course, make enough 4+ sigmas and whatever the hell they actually are becomes the new neurotypical, doesn't it?<br /><br />As to whether it's better off, I suspect it would be---even if, for instance, all the capability that we had would be to raise everyone to at least the current mean in the various attributes, it would likely reduce a lot of social dysfunctions pretty massively.Jehuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16483263667086303029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-9598612278948824072012-04-21T18:41:12.722-07:002012-04-21T18:41:12.722-07:00Philosophically, would humanity, the Earth, the un...Philosophically, would humanity, the Earth, the universe, -- whatever -- be better-off or worse-off if the left-narrative were actually true, as you put it?<br /><br />...<br />This is pretty much academic, dealing with wild hypotheticals, but then this whole thread does so.Hailhttp://hailtoyou.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-84599159885991479272012-04-21T07:14:54.439-07:002012-04-21T07:14:54.439-07:00If everyone were equal in the sense that character...If everyone were equal in the sense that characters in a point-based generation system are 'equal', then lots of elements of the left narrative would actually be mostly true. The world would look nothing at all like the one we live in.Jehuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16483263667086303029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-30610770865431344192012-04-21T01:09:40.189-07:002012-04-21T01:09:40.189-07:00The child's critique of Marxism would seem apt...The child's critique of Marxism would seem apt: <br /><br /><i>If everyone were the same (equal), wouldn't that be boring?</i>Hailhttp://hailtoyou.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-46782023287500898102012-04-20T19:08:53.389-07:002012-04-20T19:08:53.389-07:00Very good question---likely it would have nearly e...Very good question---likely it would have nearly everyone engineered to have as high a genetic capability in as many attributes as possible, which would depend on the tradeoffs that turned out to exist.<br />I suspect that it would behave a lot closer to 'rational economic man'. The topic is one pretty studiously ignored in a lot of future science fiction though, including by authors who ought to know better like Vinge.<br />I guess the real question you're asking is:<br />what would a society look like with much less genetic inequality---if everyone were build on the same number of 'points' to use a gaming metaphor.Jehuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16483263667086303029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-26140452895161560982012-04-20T18:23:06.573-07:002012-04-20T18:23:06.573-07:00What would a society look like in which every huma...What would a society look like in which every human was genetically-engineered to be born with an identical IQ?Hailhttp://hailtoyou.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-19958451688822225552012-04-19T13:13:48.941-07:002012-04-19T13:13:48.941-07:00Darwin is a terrible God, like a Baal from the Old...Darwin is a terrible God, like a Baal from the Old Testament. He absolutely LOATHES His worshippers. But He loves the Duggars. Blessed are they in His Eyes.Jehuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16483263667086303029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867127488416158679.post-88729915481875312472012-04-19T12:30:48.451-07:002012-04-19T12:30:48.451-07:00I agree that if you believe in God and the soul, t...I agree that if you believe in God and the soul, this is less of a problem.<br /><br />However, if your a secular who believes only in the material world and you hold evolution as your God...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com